Friday, September 17, 2004

We have the technology, but....

The electoral college will not be abolished in our lifetime. Discuss.....

6 comments:

klund said...

What's the electoral college?

Scooter said...

I really hope this is the picture of cioe, and not this, because pictures of milking yourself into a champagne glass will probably show up later on the web if you become a judge. Not to mention, they'll show up at school when I ship them off to your Academic Account Manager in Chicago. I'm going to assume the first picture is cioe as it involves a book that looks like it might be politics or law related, maybe even a treatise on the electoral college.

I think the electoral college is important so that people can rationalize that individual votes, like those of champagne drinking, nipple squeezing, musicians don't count as much as theirs, or don't override their "regional integrity". They can say, "yeah, everyone in Illinois voted for her except for those nipple squeezers in Chicago", and you can just write off all of Chicago as nipple squeezing freaks who don't affect the general perception of Illinois as "normal people". We see this in Minnesota where Republicans assure us that your normal Minnesotan lives in St. Peter, Nevis, Nimrod or Eagan and, when not farming and explaining how much they don't need government subsidies or driving their soccer kids to various local events would rather be hunting those of different sexual persuasions with automatic weapons. Those voters in the Twin Cities are, by comparison, everything that is not salt of the earth - a strange mélange of hoity-toity intellectuals and urban thuggery. If you listen to the Democrats there is, of course, a different spin, even though they have the words "Farmer Labor" in their party name. Once every four years we take the time to paint ourselves red or blue and show the world that one of those two viewpoints applies to the whole state, not just to "in the cities" or "outstate". It's a wonderful process that doesn't take into account farmers with gay sons, Eaganites without vans, Malaysians in the Oakdale area, Powderhorn Park residents with gun collections or any of the other varying degrees of politicality that have nothing to do with elephants and donkeys.

But hey, whatever works. Cioe - you should harass Klund for free passwords to Westlaw - I'm sure he wandered off with a few when he "retired". I'll keep those pictures handy for next year when you have to use Lawschool online.

BiggTree said...

Scooter I am going to borrow your metaphor. We all understand that the 'nipple squeezers' in Chicago outnumber the 'salt of the earth' 'normal people' in the rest of Illinois to such a degree that the nipple squeezers(NS) win the electoral votes. Due to the structure of the electoral college(EC) the votes of the 'salt of the earth'(SOE)is, in effect, thrown out.

If we were to abolish the EC and go to a straight popular vote, the NS would still outnumber the SOE. The difference would be that the vote of the SOE would still count. Maybe its a pipe dream, but I think that voter turnout in outstate Illinois would increase if the SOE didn't think that their votes would be negated by the NS. (I see increasing voter turnout, and one vote per citizen, as public goods).


Sidebar: Were you implying that NS vote Democrat? If so that might be a neat discussion topic. If you look hard enough in the Twin Cities, there is bound to be some Republican hoity-toity intellectual squeezing urban nipples.

Scooter said...

Ah, but you know my politics - you have to disregard those to some extent as I wasn't arguing as a Dem, just half-a**edly in favor of the electoral system. My basic contention is the whole thing sort of comes and goes, a big cycle - doesn't matter if the nipple squeezers outnumber the salt of the earth or vice versa, or even if there are a few nipple squeezers out state or salt of the earth in the urban areas - it mostly irons itself out and it's generally in the interest of the party that feels it was disenfranchised to complain about it, even though it swings their way or was their way at one point (the reason MN has been traditionally DFL isn't because we have Mpls/St. Paul, it's because we have farmers and laborers) - the complaining simply serves to disregard the whole point of the electoral bloc, which was that (at least in my case) "we're all Minnesotans" now and as a community we give our votes to this person who we all choose to follow as our leader for the next four years. You acknowledge you're part of a community and that you listen to your neighbors - it's good for you. Yes, your particular needs might not be the ones that are currently in vogue, but then you need to work hard, convince more nipple squeezers that your way is the right way or at least inclusive of nipple squeezing, and try again next time.

I'm surprised you feel like it discourages voting - I've heard black urbanites say the same thing pretty much forever in Minnesota, but it wasn't until it affected outstate (as the farmers became a bit more conservative) that people got a little grumpy about it. Seems sort of hypocritical. You can see what you're talking about in Minneapolis among black voters still as the school board will soon not have a black member on it, and yet be representing a school population that's 43% black. I'm pretty sure they feel like their votes don't count.

PTW said...

BiggTree! Are you on vacation? Klund now has two blogs and counting - escalation is required!

BiggTree said...

I feel no pressure to compete with klund. If I escalate, what then? Will he not respond in kind? The only way combat klund blog proliferation is unilateral blog reduction. That is why I am calling for bloggers worldwide to disband their blogs. klund will see this act of goodwill and will be forced to reduce his blog count, lest he be burdened with the disdain of the planet.